1 00:00:11,780 --> 00:00:09,200 alright well thanks for inviting me to 2 00:00:14,509 --> 00:00:11,790 be here I work at the geology museum on 3 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:14,519 campus and if you have any time while 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:16,590 you're in town you should pop on over we 5 00:00:23,179 --> 00:00:20,130 have a may be the only astrobiology 6 00:00:24,710 --> 00:00:23,189 exhibit in the country so you should 7 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:24,720 come check it out it was part of our can 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:26,910 for our original grant and now we're in 9 00:00:31,429 --> 00:00:29,490 cans six as well so if you like Mars we 10 00:00:33,830 --> 00:00:31,439 have a chunk of Mars on display first 11 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:33,840 oldest rocks and fossils so you should 12 00:00:39,580 --> 00:00:38,309 come explore but bri asked me to give 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:39,590 you just some thoughts about 14 00:00:46,029 --> 00:00:42,090 communicating to the non-specialist and 15 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:46,039 so when we think about science outreach 16 00:00:53,889 --> 00:00:48,780 often probably what people think of our 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:53,899 this guy or this guy and I'm here to 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:00:56,370 represent the people who don't dress 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:00,170 quite as well as those two gentlemen and 20 00:01:05,270 --> 00:01:03,570 while they do fantastic jobs you know 21 00:01:07,370 --> 00:01:05,280 everybody can communicate your science 22 00:01:09,859 --> 00:01:07,380 you were all scientists and I'm I want 23 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:09,869 to give you some ideas as to how you can 24 00:01:17,450 --> 00:01:13,500 connect with your audience and use your 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:17,460 powers for good and so um I'm just kind 26 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:21,810 of curious as a informal poll who has 27 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:23,670 done some some kind of outreach you've 28 00:01:27,710 --> 00:01:25,310 talked to the public about your work 29 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:27,720 okay excellent what are examples of what 30 00:01:36,020 --> 00:01:30,210 you've done who have you talked to where 31 00:01:37,609 --> 00:01:36,030 have you been anyone or you can just 32 00:01:44,090 --> 00:01:37,619 boom it out I don't know if that matters 33 00:01:47,780 --> 00:01:44,100 for a talker an astronomical society in 34 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:47,790 Salt Lake what else public talks at 35 00:01:59,749 --> 00:01:53,790 planetariums nice museums talking to 36 00:02:04,130 --> 00:01:59,759 campers science demos elementary school 37 00:02:05,929 --> 00:02:04,140 classroom any other rapes all science 38 00:02:08,930 --> 00:02:05,939 car key notes yeah science fairs are 39 00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:08,940 great talks to high school students 40 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:11,430 excellent so I wanted to show you a few 41 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:14,160 other examples as well so we've got um 42 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:18,810 these are served laser pointer all right 43 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:22,890 um so talking to kids a lot of people 44 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:24,120 and they think about talking to public 45 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:25,500 they immediately thought think about 46 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:28,710 talking to kids right so here we talk to 47 00:02:35,450 --> 00:02:33,270 kids about geology we do events at local 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:35,460 libraries or after school science clubs 49 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:37,530 so this kid built his own curiosity 50 00:02:44,180 --> 00:02:41,370 rover out of candy this is something 51 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:44,190 that our actual our grad school our grad 52 00:02:49,510 --> 00:02:46,650 students did so brie and the other grad 53 00:02:52,370 --> 00:02:49,520 students are helping host a bride con 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:52,380 led an evening event here in this 55 00:02:57,620 --> 00:02:55,050 building called DIY science so adults 56 00:03:01,310 --> 00:02:57,630 pay money to come here on a date or on 57 00:03:04,220 --> 00:03:01,320 their own to do science and so we had an 58 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:04,230 astrobiology one here in january i 59 00:03:10,070 --> 00:03:06,930 brought a puppeteer here last summer to 60 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:10,080 do some shows at local libraries about 61 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:13,410 ambrosia a puppet who will an alien who 62 00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:16,890 has crash-landed here on earth and then 63 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:19,920 there's also you can do unconventional 64 00:03:26,570 --> 00:03:22,980 venues this is we did some star wars and 65 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:26,580 astrobiology nights at the ballpark here 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:28,470 we went to local music festivals and 67 00:03:33,020 --> 00:03:29,850 talked about astrobiology in your 68 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:33,030 backyard and then there's kind of the 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:35,370 classic booth set up so if you're doing 70 00:03:42,230 --> 00:03:38,370 you know a science festival or something 71 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:42,240 like that so what I really want to get 72 00:03:48,470 --> 00:03:45,750 across to you is that communication is 73 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:48,480 connecting with your audience and this 74 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:50,250 holds true also for your more 75 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:52,590 professional scientific talks but really 76 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:54,000 in the realm of talking to the public 77 00:03:57,260 --> 00:03:55,290 they're looking at you as some kind of 78 00:03:59,090 --> 00:03:57,270 authority right you are the scientist 79 00:04:02,750 --> 00:03:59,100 and so already there's kind of this 80 00:04:06,290 --> 00:04:02,760 power differential that exists and so I 81 00:04:09,229 --> 00:04:06,300 have three main tips to try and balance 82 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:09,239 out that power differential right so I 83 00:04:16,190 --> 00:04:13,050 don't want you to go in um you know and 84 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:16,200 be in a situation where people are cowed 85 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:18,959 by you it's about connecting with your 86 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:20,760 audience and that way you're 87 00:04:25,130 --> 00:04:22,710 establishing a relationship and you'll 88 00:04:26,420 --> 00:04:25,140 get more out of them too so instead of 89 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:26,430 you just telling them information 90 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:27,850 they're going to ask question 91 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:29,200 of you and you'll have a longer time 92 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:30,910 with them perhaps and you might 93 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:32,830 establish a relationship and get to you 94 00:04:36,630 --> 00:04:34,420 know they might email you afterwards and 95 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:36,640 so you can continue to have that 96 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:38,410 conversation instead of it being a one 97 00:04:43,020 --> 00:04:40,000 of where you've like brain dumped on 98 00:04:46,100 --> 00:04:43,030 them and then they glazed over and said 99 00:04:52,550 --> 00:04:46,110 thank you very much and walked away so 100 00:05:01,260 --> 00:04:57,330 don't use lingo now this is MTV puts 101 00:05:02,970 --> 00:05:01,270 together a lingo word cloud every few 102 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:02,980 years so this is they polled Millennials 103 00:05:08,790 --> 00:05:05,290 and said one of the slang words you use 104 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:08,800 um so don't ask me but I'm not letting 105 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:10,870 but this is just here to represent that 106 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:12,820 you know you may think lingo you're like 107 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:14,230 yeah yeah I don't talk about redox 108 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:17,530 cycling or you know microbiology you 109 00:05:22,980 --> 00:05:20,350 like don't use those words but I also 110 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:22,990 want you to think about words like free 111 00:05:29,010 --> 00:05:26,110 biologists out there cell so to some 112 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:29,020 people some communities cell indicates 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:31,210 somebody who's in jail but you're there 114 00:05:36,780 --> 00:05:35,530 thinking about an environment and so you 115 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:36,790 might need to think about that come 116 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:38,770 depending on the audience you're talking 117 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:42,250 to for you chemists out there isotope is 118 00:05:47,070 --> 00:05:44,530 a word that you sling around all the 119 00:05:48,510 --> 00:05:47,080 time but I've quizzed people in our 120 00:05:51,630 --> 00:05:48,520 Museum when we were putting together our 121 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:51,640 exhibit i sat out in the gallery and I 122 00:05:56,580 --> 00:05:53,710 asked questions of people I had them 123 00:05:57,630 --> 00:05:56,590 read exhibit text and said you know what 124 00:06:00,840 --> 00:05:57,640 do you think people might get confused 125 00:06:03,570 --> 00:06:00,850 about with this and I would ask what 126 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:03,580 does the word isotope mean and the 127 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:08,530 number one answer was mmm chemistry okay 128 00:06:13,620 --> 00:06:11,350 so the general public i mean when you're 129 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:13,630 thinking about talking with them you're 130 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:15,580 thinking of like you know somebody who 131 00:06:19,590 --> 00:06:17,410 may have taken their last chemistry 132 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:19,600 class in high school if you're talking 133 00:06:24,870 --> 00:06:22,770 to an adult that was a while ago and 134 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:24,880 really paring it down to like a middle 135 00:06:32,220 --> 00:06:26,470 school level even if you're talking to 136 00:06:34,410 --> 00:06:32,230 adults for geologists plate plate uses 137 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:34,420 you eat off of plates right we talk 138 00:06:37,260 --> 00:06:35,710 about plate tectonics we sling around 139 00:06:38,820 --> 00:06:37,270 that word it's a normal word that 140 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:38,830 everybody you know it's not a 141 00:06:41,430 --> 00:06:40,660 complicated word to say but it has a 142 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:41,440 different meaning 143 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:44,890 a geologist than it does to a kid and so 144 00:06:48,180 --> 00:06:46,270 when we talk about plate tectonics in 145 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:48,190 our Museum we actually kind of make a 146 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:49,750 joke that we're not talking about you 147 00:06:53,310 --> 00:06:51,550 know what you eat off of what we're 148 00:06:59,520 --> 00:06:53,320 talking about these big pieces of the 149 00:07:01,200 --> 00:06:59,530 Earth's crust and one other story I met 150 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:01,210 this woman who was talking about citizen 151 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:02,620 science you know where you have citizens 152 00:07:07,220 --> 00:07:04,210 going out selecting data for you and 153 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:07,230 inputting it and she was referencing a 154 00:07:12,330 --> 00:07:09,490 program that Noah does and so she's 155 00:07:14,370 --> 00:07:12,340 talking about how Noah with Noah you can 156 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:14,380 track the weather and it'll tell you if 157 00:07:20,190 --> 00:07:16,690 it's raining and her audience was 158 00:07:22,830 --> 00:07:20,200 thinking about Noah in the Bible not not 159 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:22,840 the National Oceanographic atmospheric 160 00:07:26,340 --> 00:07:24,790 Association like that's you know 161 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:26,350 thinking about those words that you're 162 00:07:31,410 --> 00:07:29,260 using even NSF they probably know who 163 00:07:35,460 --> 00:07:31,420 let NASA is so that's good on you for 164 00:07:39,030 --> 00:07:35,470 being an astrobiologist okay so lingo be 165 00:07:41,130 --> 00:07:39,040 careful about lingo if you know if you 166 00:07:43,860 --> 00:07:41,140 need to step out of it you know ask a 167 00:07:45,870 --> 00:07:43,870 friend a roommate a family member family 168 00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:45,880 members are great because usually that 169 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:47,680 they can be pretty brutally honest with 170 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:50,350 you too and so you can ask them you know 171 00:07:53,340 --> 00:07:52,090 what does this mean to you or you know 172 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:53,350 do you know what this word means and 173 00:07:59,880 --> 00:07:56,890 they'll tell you if they do okay number 174 00:08:02,190 --> 00:07:59,890 two is that this is not a one-way street 175 00:08:04,409 --> 00:08:02,200 and I kind of alluded to that you're not 176 00:08:05,550 --> 00:08:04,419 there to just brain dump you aren't just 177 00:08:07,290 --> 00:08:05,560 the authority who's conveying 178 00:08:09,030 --> 00:08:07,300 information I want you to think about it 179 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:09,040 as a learning and experience for you as 180 00:08:13,470 --> 00:08:11,890 well so every time you do outreach it's 181 00:08:15,870 --> 00:08:13,480 it's almost as though you're doing an 182 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:15,880 experiment you are getting information 183 00:08:19,650 --> 00:08:17,440 from your audience as much as you're 184 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:19,660 giving information so you can be asking 185 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:21,490 questions learning about misconceptions 186 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:24,100 you know you hear a lot in the news 187 00:08:30,270 --> 00:08:28,330 about you know what people understand 188 00:08:33,870 --> 00:08:30,280 when it comes to climate change or when 189 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:33,880 it comes to you know a lot a lot of 190 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:35,169 different issues that are in the news 191 00:08:40,170 --> 00:08:38,050 and it's through these events that you 192 00:08:42,930 --> 00:08:40,180 can start to tease apart where people 193 00:08:45,090 --> 00:08:42,940 are getting some misconceptions where 194 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:45,100 they have it right and so it's not about 195 00:08:48,990 --> 00:08:47,410 you know I'm right you're wrong but it's 196 00:08:52,290 --> 00:08:49,000 about you becoming a better communicator 197 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:52,300 so you can like go forth and actually 198 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:53,710 educate people about the things that 199 00:08:57,420 --> 00:08:54,850 there 200 00:08:59,129 --> 00:08:57,430 confused about and this is something 201 00:09:00,930 --> 00:08:59,139 that I've definitely experienced to 202 00:09:02,639 --> 00:09:00,940 where I've asked a question and you know 203 00:09:04,499 --> 00:09:02,649 kids might understand one thing really 204 00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:04,509 well and another thing that I thought 205 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:06,160 they would have a pretty good hold on 206 00:09:17,370 --> 00:09:13,470 they don't all right and then finally um 207 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:17,380 this is something that when you are 208 00:09:21,870 --> 00:09:19,720 talking to the public a difference 209 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:21,880 between talking to your peers is that 210 00:09:27,090 --> 00:09:25,120 you're also representing science and so 211 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:27,100 I want you to think about showing your 212 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:29,230 heart and being vulnerable with that 213 00:09:34,829 --> 00:09:31,990 audience and showing them who you are 214 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:34,839 there's a number of different studies 215 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:37,120 and done called draw scientist maybe 216 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:38,860 some of you have heard of these where 217 00:09:43,079 --> 00:09:41,350 they ask kids to draw a scientist and 218 00:09:44,249 --> 00:09:43,089 then they those kids get to have kind of 219 00:09:45,389 --> 00:09:44,259 a long-term relationship with a 220 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:45,399 scientist and then they draw a 221 00:09:49,350 --> 00:09:47,649 scientists at the end and then variably 222 00:09:51,629 --> 00:09:49,360 go from like somebody who kind of looks 223 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:51,639 like Einstein to somebody who looks like 224 00:09:56,579 --> 00:09:53,110 the person they've been working with and 225 00:09:58,980 --> 00:09:56,589 so it's your opportunity when you're 226 00:10:02,220 --> 00:09:58,990 interacting with the public to represent 227 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:02,230 and so by opening yourself up and 228 00:10:06,809 --> 00:10:04,569 talking a little bit about yourself and 229 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:06,819 why you are interested in the things 230 00:10:11,699 --> 00:10:09,100 that you're studying why you're invested 231 00:10:13,319 --> 00:10:11,709 in it that helps people connect to your 232 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:13,329 subject matter instead of just diving 233 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:15,730 right in to what it is that you're 234 00:10:20,610 --> 00:10:18,310 working on or whatever you're trying to 235 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:20,620 convey that day you can connect with 236 00:10:24,629 --> 00:10:22,360 them share a little bit of your own 237 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:24,639 story and that can be really powerful 238 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:28,810 for them one great example of this Alan 239 00:10:35,129 --> 00:10:31,120 Alda Jews knew who that guys name is on 240 00:10:38,670 --> 00:10:35,139 mash when he kind of retired out of 241 00:10:40,620 --> 00:10:38,680 acting he became a real passionate 242 00:10:44,730 --> 00:10:40,630 science communicator which kind of seems 243 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:44,740 crazy but he he's founded this Institute 244 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:47,500 in at Stony Brook that's all about 245 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:49,860 teaching scientists improvisation 246 00:10:55,290 --> 00:10:52,750 because his theory is that by giving you 247 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:55,300 some kind of basic acting tools that 248 00:11:00,360 --> 00:10:57,370 you'll be able to communicate better and 249 00:11:07,650 --> 00:11:00,370 so it's very basic things like gesture 250 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:07,660 and using facial you know changing your 251 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:08,640 face 252 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:11,310 and telling stories that are personal 253 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:14,400 and so in one of my my favorites that 254 00:11:19,460 --> 00:11:17,040 I've seen recently this woman is talking 255 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:19,470 about BPA which is the stuff everybody 256 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:22,470 scared about in plastic and she says the 257 00:11:27,950 --> 00:11:25,620 first thing she says is um so when you 258 00:11:29,270 --> 00:11:27,960 were a baby probably you know the toys 259 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:29,280 your favorite toys were made out of 260 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:31,530 plastic and he interrupts her and he 261 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:33,120 says no no no make more personal and 262 00:11:38,810 --> 00:11:37,230 she's like okay so if you had kids your 263 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:38,820 kids probably would have plastic toys 264 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:40,110 and he's like no no no I'll make it more 265 00:11:45,170 --> 00:11:41,610 personal Megan workers and she's like 266 00:11:46,370 --> 00:11:45,180 okay my son his toys are all plastic and 267 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:46,380 he puts him in his mouth all the time 268 00:11:50,330 --> 00:11:49,050 and you can just see this shroud fall 269 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:50,340 away from her and suddenly she is 270 00:11:53,690 --> 00:11:51,690 connecting with their audience she has 271 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,700 her own personal investment and why she 272 00:11:58,310 --> 00:11:55,440 studies this and she studies marine 273 00:12:00,200 --> 00:11:58,320 environments and this be PA ends up in 274 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:00,210 the marine environments and so she has 275 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:01,590 this little introduction for how she 276 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:05,040 ends up studying what she does and for 277 00:12:09,530 --> 00:12:06,870 all of you I mean you guys are have like 278 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:09,540 the cream of the cream of the cream of 279 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:12,330 things that you study you're looking for 280 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:14,910 life and space I mean this is like super 281 00:12:21,340 --> 00:12:17,970 easy connection so talk about your own 282 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:21,350 investment and why you do what you do 283 00:12:26,210 --> 00:12:23,940 okay so maybe you're thinking okay 284 00:12:29,810 --> 00:12:26,220 that's that all sounds good i'll do some 285 00:12:35,510 --> 00:12:29,820 more outreach um what next I i have 286 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:35,520 three short tips one is um and I had to 287 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:37,680 throw this in for my four-year-old who 288 00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:38,790 looked at my talk notes and he was like 289 00:12:45,310 --> 00:12:42,380 super hero so what are you doing um 290 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:45,320 think about your strengths all right um 291 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:47,730 who do you like talking to anyways do 292 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:49,440 you like talking to kids maybe then you 293 00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:51,360 should talk to more kids if kids are 294 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:53,520 kind of not you're saying maybe think 295 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:54,990 about like I always liked talking to my 296 00:13:00,290 --> 00:12:58,170 grandpa at Christmas maybe you should go 297 00:13:04,070 --> 00:13:00,300 to a retirement home and do a 298 00:13:06,890 --> 00:13:04,080 presentation there so think about where 299 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:06,900 what what you do already and what your 300 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:09,630 superpower is and capitalize on that you 301 00:13:12,140 --> 00:13:10,800 don't have to I mean I know you guys 302 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:12,150 don't have a lot of time you should you 303 00:13:14,930 --> 00:13:13,290 don't have to be worrying about like 304 00:13:16,310 --> 00:13:14,940 well I'm not very good at talking to 305 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:16,320 preschoolers so I probably should go to 306 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:18,450 a preschool don't worry about that if 307 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:20,130 you as a freak you out don't go to a 308 00:13:24,499 --> 00:13:21,600 preschool 309 00:13:26,689 --> 00:13:24,509 um and then how do you like to engage 310 00:13:30,769 --> 00:13:26,699 with people do you like giving talks or 311 00:13:32,329 --> 00:13:30,779 do talks make you nervous do you like 312 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:32,339 coming up with demos do you like to 313 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:34,350 write maybe a blog is the right thing 314 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:37,170 for you and so spend a little time 315 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:39,870 thinking about how you can channel what 316 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:41,730 you know little amount of time you have 317 00:13:48,769 --> 00:13:44,730 into something that will give you great 318 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:48,779 rewards um think about what your 319 00:13:51,980 --> 00:13:50,670 resources are so maybe you already have 320 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:51,990 a connection with the museum or a 321 00:13:57,129 --> 00:13:55,410 library or an elementary school you 322 00:13:59,569 --> 00:13:57,139 could do some mentoring or some tutoring 323 00:14:02,689 --> 00:13:59,579 doesn't have to be in astrobiology it 324 00:14:05,689 --> 00:14:02,699 could be in math right science fair 325 00:14:07,610 --> 00:14:05,699 judges every time you talk to your 326 00:14:09,379 --> 00:14:07,620 neighbor or you're standing in the line 327 00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:09,389 and the grocery store and you see some 328 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:11,279 article on National Geographic that kind 329 00:14:14,059 --> 00:14:12,690 of relates and your kind of 330 00:14:15,949 --> 00:14:14,069 chit-chatting with the person next to 331 00:14:19,699 --> 00:14:15,959 you in line these are all opportunities 332 00:14:21,740 --> 00:14:19,709 you're at a party drinking beer you can 333 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:21,750 chat I mean somebody like the number one 334 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:23,160 thing people ask you is like so what do 335 00:14:29,329 --> 00:14:26,100 you do right have an answer for that and 336 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:29,339 a good example yesterday I even I was 337 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:31,560 with my kids and I saw I was chatting 338 00:14:36,139 --> 00:14:34,110 with these two ladies who are grad 339 00:14:39,259 --> 00:14:36,149 students I said so what do you do and 340 00:14:42,740 --> 00:14:39,269 one of them said Oh molecular biology 341 00:14:44,449 --> 00:14:42,750 viruses and that was that was it and I'm 342 00:14:47,389 --> 00:14:44,459 like well I know what viruses is so I I 343 00:14:49,939 --> 00:14:47,399 explained it to my kid and but if she 344 00:14:52,189 --> 00:14:49,949 had had like three sentences about what 345 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:52,199 it is that she does that would've been 346 00:14:55,460 --> 00:14:53,850 awesome and maybe would have opened up a 347 00:14:58,519 --> 00:14:55,470 conversation between the two of us and 348 00:15:00,860 --> 00:14:58,529 so have those three sentences the 349 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:00,870 Distilled little version I mean they've 350 00:15:06,139 --> 00:15:03,329 been called elevator speeches whatever 351 00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:06,149 it's just what you do right and you 352 00:15:11,929 --> 00:15:08,040 should be able to say it and and that's 353 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:11,939 a point of connection you know by the 354 00:15:16,189 --> 00:15:14,160 way our conversation went it kind of 355 00:15:19,490 --> 00:15:16,199 like fell flat and we ended up not 356 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:19,500 talking about what she does alright and 357 00:15:28,129 --> 00:15:24,930 then finally my last big tip is if 358 00:15:30,319 --> 00:15:28,139 nothing else take this away take 359 00:15:34,340 --> 00:15:30,329 pictures of yourself I never thought I'd 360 00:15:35,449 --> 00:15:34,350 be a proponent of selfies but think 361 00:15:38,929 --> 00:15:35,459 about when you're doing 362 00:15:41,119 --> 00:15:38,939 your work take a picture have somebody 363 00:15:43,489 --> 00:15:41,129 take a picture of you whether it's in 364 00:15:44,809 --> 00:15:43,499 the lab geologists kind of have it easy 365 00:15:47,929 --> 00:15:44,819 because they go do awesome things 366 00:15:50,989 --> 00:15:47,939 outside like fly helicopters dig up 367 00:15:53,019 --> 00:15:50,999 dinosaur bones but take a moment and 368 00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:53,029 have somebody to take a picture of you 369 00:15:59,540 --> 00:15:55,740 doing what you do no matter what if 370 00:16:01,340 --> 00:15:59,550 you're working on a machine to have them 371 00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:01,350 take a picture of you at the bare 372 00:16:05,389 --> 00:16:03,899 minimum I want you to think about you 373 00:16:07,819 --> 00:16:05,399 know in your department when there are 374 00:16:09,109 --> 00:16:07,829 talks you know you get the little 375 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:09,119 abstract hanging up on the bulletin 376 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:10,529 board as you're walking through the 377 00:16:14,329 --> 00:16:12,360 building and it has a little biopic 378 00:16:16,939 --> 00:16:14,339 there and often it's just kind of a 379 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:16,949 classic you know like semi smiling face 380 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:19,649 but wouldn't it be nice are you don't 381 00:16:22,579 --> 00:16:20,970 you feel more engaged when that person 382 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:22,589 took the time to like put one of these 383 00:16:26,929 --> 00:16:25,050 photos as part of their abstract when 384 00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:26,939 they come to talk you're more likely to 385 00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,230 go to that person's talk because you're 386 00:16:32,929 --> 00:16:30,480 like well that's kind of cool I see them 387 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:32,939 doing something and so take a picture 388 00:16:37,429 --> 00:16:34,920 yourself have that kind of stuff in your 389 00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:37,439 back pocket for when you are invited to 390 00:16:41,809 --> 00:16:39,660 go give a talk you can throw in a couple 391 00:16:48,980 --> 00:16:41,819 slides of you doing the work instead of 392 00:16:50,869 --> 00:16:48,990 just the work okay so that's it that's 393 00:16:55,410 --> 00:16:50,879 what I have for you try and connect with 394 00:17:04,929 --> 00:17:00,090 Thank You Brooke are there any questions 395 00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:04,939 all right Graham you're closer so I'll 396 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:08,959 go to you first thank you that was that 397 00:17:12,610 --> 00:17:10,970 was fantastic I love science munication 398 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,620 so I was like hearing these kinds of 399 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:14,720 talks there are a bunch of people in 400 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:16,130 this room I know who loves science 401 00:17:20,590 --> 00:17:18,650 communication and outreach several of us 402 00:17:23,559 --> 00:17:20,600 were involved in NASA's fame lab in the 403 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:23,569 past year previous years before that the 404 00:17:28,270 --> 00:17:26,329 host of that Sean Tomiko Goldman has 405 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:28,280 this comment he makes every time he Emma 406 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:30,140 sees this this event and for those of 407 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:31,610 you don't know NASA fame lab is a 408 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:33,590 science communication competition where 409 00:17:37,870 --> 00:17:36,049 you give a three-minute talk with only 410 00:17:40,090 --> 00:17:37,880 maybe one prop in your hand and no 411 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:40,100 slides and the idea is to convey an idea 412 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:43,760 easily to the public so Sean the MC 413 00:17:49,090 --> 00:17:46,970 usually for this event has this idea he 414 00:17:50,350 --> 00:17:49,100 likes to share with people that a lot of 415 00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:50,360 people in science feel that we need 416 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:52,400 another Carl Sagan we need someone else 417 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:53,570 to be the champion of science 418 00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:54,980 communication be that one person that 419 00:17:59,680 --> 00:17:57,679 drives it forward and what Shawn points 420 00:18:01,210 --> 00:17:59,690 out and what I love about this idea and 421 00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,220 kind of how you started your talk 422 00:18:04,930 --> 00:18:03,200 tonight was this idea that we don't need 423 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:04,940 just one more Carl Sagan we need 424 00:18:09,340 --> 00:18:07,070 thousands of mini Carl Sagan's we need 425 00:18:11,710 --> 00:18:09,350 all of us in our own lives expressing 426 00:18:13,299 --> 00:18:11,720 ourselves in our own special way to take 427 00:18:14,770 --> 00:18:13,309 what we have from our experiences and 428 00:18:16,990 --> 00:18:14,780 use that to share our science with 429 00:18:18,490 --> 00:18:17,000 others and so I really enjoyed hearing 430 00:18:20,530 --> 00:18:18,500 that as the very first thing you started 431 00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,540 with your talk tonight so thank you I 432 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:22,400 absolutely agree with that i mean 433 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:25,190 there's a there's a place for you know 434 00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:27,080 the neil degrasse tyson's and what not 435 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:29,270 but you talk to people to all the time 436 00:18:33,130 --> 00:18:31,820 you know gosh thanksgiving and stick 437 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:33,140 your neck out and try and talk about 438 00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:36,490 what it is that you do with your family 439 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:39,320 important thing i'd like to apologize if 440 00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:42,130 I'm boring you with all my questions um 441 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:47,120 so I was once in a coffee shop and start 442 00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:50,330 chatting with this engineer and I told 443 00:18:56,620 --> 00:18:54,559 him I saw the astrobiology and his first 444 00:19:00,730 --> 00:18:56,630 reply was but that doesn't exist is no 445 00:19:02,610 --> 00:19:00,740 life out there God made it and it caught 446 00:19:05,049 --> 00:19:02,620 me off guard because he was an engineer 447 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:05,059 so do you have suggestions for dealing 448 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:06,530 with people who might come in with 449 00:19:10,420 --> 00:19:08,450 preconceived notions 450 00:19:13,060 --> 00:19:10,430 like how would you want to convince them 451 00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,070 sure well I think that what's difficult 452 00:19:18,850 --> 00:19:16,160 is that it's not a matter of convincing 453 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:18,860 I think the best dialogues happen when 454 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:20,630 it's it's just two people talking from 455 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:24,590 where they're at and so it becomes 456 00:19:28,030 --> 00:19:26,330 difficult if they are trying to convince 457 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:28,040 you of something right that's just as 458 00:19:33,670 --> 00:19:31,370 awkward and you're like who as I'm sure 459 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:33,680 they feel if you do the same right if 460 00:19:41,290 --> 00:19:35,770 you're like evangelizing for science and 461 00:19:43,570 --> 00:19:41,300 so um I would I mean it takes it's just 462 00:19:45,700 --> 00:19:43,580 like a clumsy thing we have this in our 463 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:45,710 Museum all not all the time but there's 464 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:47,210 plenty of times when creationist groups 465 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,800 come in and it kind of boggles my mind 466 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:51,200 I'm like if you wanted to argue with my 467 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:54,320 tour guide like it would be nice to have 468 00:20:00,160 --> 00:19:58,130 a fair warning you know like but there 469 00:20:02,050 --> 00:20:00,170 are other groups that come and it's just 470 00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:02,060 like it can be a dialogue it doesn't 471 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:03,950 have to be something that turns into a 472 00:20:09,540 --> 00:20:07,010 combative situation and if you try and 473 00:20:12,790 --> 00:20:09,550 go from that place of just curiosity and 474 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:12,800 asking asking them questions having them 475 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,530 ask you questions without that you know 476 00:20:21,130 --> 00:20:17,840 motive behind it of like I'm gonna 477 00:20:22,780 --> 00:20:21,140 convert you so I think that's the best I 478 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,790 can you see this in our culture 479 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:24,320 everywhere right like Republicans 480 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:25,850 Democrats they're just like rah rah rah 481 00:20:30,430 --> 00:20:27,530 and they just want to yell at each other 482 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:30,440 and you know when really we need to open 483 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:32,810 up spaces where people can talk and so 484 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,910 in in that I want to make a little I was 485 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:36,320 going to make little handouts of like 486 00:20:41,790 --> 00:20:39,050 things to for you to check out one thing 487 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:41,800 I would say that gets at that too is a 488 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:44,930 radio program called on being which is 489 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:50,150 about ethics science religion and their 490 00:20:54,490 --> 00:20:52,610 these long format interviews that the 491 00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:54,500 woman Krista Tippett she's a totally 492 00:20:59,670 --> 00:20:56,620 talented interviewer but she has people 493 00:21:01,810 --> 00:20:59,680 tons of scientists she has poets she has 494 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:01,820 artists all these people and she has 495 00:21:06,490 --> 00:21:04,130 these long conversations with them and 496 00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:06,500 so that the way that she talks to people 497 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:08,150 is a really organic thing and I feel 498 00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:11,150 like I'm learning more from listening to 499 00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:17,480 those podcasts I over here and so one of 500 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:21,080 the things that I think you sort of have 501 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:22,250 to deal with as a scientist 502 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:25,130 is people here oh you're a scientist and 503 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:26,270 then you're an expert on all things 504 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:30,290 science and you know within even with in 505 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:32,210 astrobiology I feel like we hedge a lot 506 00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:33,050 and we're like well I don't know 507 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:34,640 anything about this thing that's only 508 00:21:39,910 --> 00:21:36,170 very slightly removed from what I 509 00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,920 actually do and so I mean I think on 510 00:21:43,570 --> 00:21:41,360 some level maybe we have to be more 511 00:21:45,910 --> 00:21:43,580 comfortable talking about things that 512 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:45,920 we're not actually experts in because we 513 00:21:48,970 --> 00:21:47,510 probably know more about it then maybe 514 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:48,980 the general public but it's also really 515 00:21:53,710 --> 00:21:51,410 hard to say something when you're not up 516 00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:53,720 on whatever the researches or whatever 517 00:22:08,770 --> 00:21:55,340 so I guess I just how do you deal with 518 00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,780 that and so I think that it is a bit of 519 00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,360 permission to like switch your brain 520 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:14,240 into I'm talking to the public or I'm 521 00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,490 talking to my family or whatever mode 522 00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:18,320 where you don't have to be the expert 523 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:19,880 and I'm sure you do know a lot more 524 00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:22,310 about I mean likely you know a lot about 525 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:24,140 whatever it is they're asking a question 526 00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:26,500 on and so you can put some kind of like 527 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:28,760 disclaimer in there about like well 528 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:30,770 that's not really my area of study but 529 00:22:35,530 --> 00:22:33,530 I'll tell you what I know about it and I 530 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:35,540 found I mean I'm the queen of like 531 00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,670 spreading myself thin and not being a 532 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:40,400 specialist I have degrees in geology but 533 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:42,710 I've been in outreach specialist for 11 534 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:45,890 years now and so I find that people are 535 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:48,170 just hungry you know and maybe you can 536 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:51,530 even just give them references you know 537 00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:55,970 not paper's like you might know of a 538 00:23:00,100 --> 00:22:57,920 really great website that they could go 539 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:00,110 to or you know you might have those 540 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:01,310 sorts of things that you can point 541 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:04,130 people towards but i would say i mean a 542 00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:05,810 lot of its it is about being vulnerable 543 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:07,670 and being okay with saying i don't 544 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:09,890 really know about that which like I know 545 00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:12,050 it's not cool to do that in a research 546 00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:14,150 group right to be like well I'm just 547 00:23:17,890 --> 00:23:16,460 gonna throw my opinion out there on this 548 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:17,900 thing that I'm not really a specialist 549 00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:23,330 in but I think we need more of that yeah 550 00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:25,100 I'm actually going to respond to the 551 00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:29,120 last two points so first the one about 552 00:23:34,030 --> 00:23:32,150 astrobiology yeah I got gotten that too 553 00:23:34,419 --> 00:23:34,040 the problem was the first time I heard 554 00:23:36,369 --> 00:23:34,429 that 555 00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,379 the guy was making a joke so then the 556 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:38,480 second time I thought he was also making 557 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:41,830 a joke did not turn out well um 558 00:23:46,930 --> 00:23:44,330 unfortunately sometimes when people 559 00:23:48,489 --> 00:23:46,940 start getting dogmatic uh they've 560 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:48,499 actually shown that certain parts of the 561 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:51,110 brain are shutting down and there isn't 562 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:53,080 an easy way to have a rational discourse 563 00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:55,730 I definitely think it's worth still 564 00:23:59,259 --> 00:23:57,950 trying and I really like what you've 565 00:24:01,570 --> 00:23:59,269 said about being vulnerable and being 566 00:24:03,249 --> 00:24:01,580 willing to make it a conversation you 567 00:24:05,529 --> 00:24:03,259 know like ask them questions about their 568 00:24:07,090 --> 00:24:05,539 their concept and their understanding 569 00:24:09,310 --> 00:24:07,100 you know I'm if you feel comfortable 570 00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:09,320 sharing your own perception if you have 571 00:24:14,980 --> 00:24:12,200 one of God or a greater power you know 572 00:24:18,489 --> 00:24:14,990 and how if anything that relates to your 573 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:18,499 science I mean that's a tough one and if 574 00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,529 it's gonna be a hostile situation just 575 00:24:26,619 --> 00:24:23,840 just get out like don't bother trying to 576 00:24:30,009 --> 00:24:26,629 like defend science when someone's just 577 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:30,019 going to try and attack you um Becky in 578 00:24:34,659 --> 00:24:32,809 relation to your question um what I've 579 00:24:37,299 --> 00:24:34,669 really discovered and this definitely 580 00:24:38,769 --> 00:24:37,309 works with kids especially is saying and 581 00:24:40,570 --> 00:24:38,779 being honest and saying you know what I 582 00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:40,580 don't know let's figure that out 583 00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,070 together and doing whatever you can to 584 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:44,480 help figure it out together so you can 585 00:24:47,379 --> 00:24:46,129 start from basic principles like if it's 586 00:24:49,539 --> 00:24:47,389 something in a field you're not familiar 587 00:24:51,639 --> 00:24:49,549 with you know like start with whatever 588 00:24:53,710 --> 00:24:51,649 basic principles you remember from even 589 00:24:56,139 --> 00:24:53,720 high school you know if it's like really 590 00:24:59,019 --> 00:24:56,149 far removed from like the science you do 591 00:25:01,359 --> 00:24:59,029 now and even going on to like Wikipedia 592 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:01,369 figuring out there's anyone you know who 593 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:03,080 especially in astrobiology community 594 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:05,330 like this you you meet people you know 595 00:25:08,109 --> 00:25:06,740 who you can say you know what I don't 596 00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:08,119 know but I think if you talk to my 597 00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:09,590 friend Jenica she might know the answer 598 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,039 to that you know and um I'm just kind of 599 00:25:17,109 --> 00:25:14,720 starting that is a grill a good place 600 00:25:18,879 --> 00:25:17,119 just to encourage a curiosity and 601 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:18,889 recognize and like admit that you know 602 00:25:24,399 --> 00:25:21,230 what like we're not experts on all 603 00:25:26,409 --> 00:25:24,409 things science yeah I just want to 604 00:25:27,999 --> 00:25:26,419 especially comment on how I really 605 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:28,009 appreciated kind of your thing about 606 00:25:31,239 --> 00:25:29,570 conversation I've discovered that what 607 00:25:34,739 --> 00:25:31,249 really works with kids and adults is 608 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:34,749 even starting presentations not as like 609 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:36,769 presentation so much is by asking 610 00:25:41,019 --> 00:25:39,110 questions and getting them to share 611 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:41,029 their ideas or concepts about a certain 612 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:41,890 thing 613 00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:43,690 and that that way you get them into 614 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:46,270 involved in the entire talk and thinking 615 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:47,890 about things in a new way almost as a 616 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:50,650 scientist would know I think that's 617 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:54,010 really true i've worked with second and 618 00:25:59,490 --> 00:25:55,270 third graders in like an after-school 619 00:26:03,180 --> 00:25:59,500 club and I I went in you know gung ho to 620 00:26:06,780 --> 00:26:03,190 teach about Rovers and Landers on Mars 621 00:26:08,940 --> 00:26:06,790 and I was a few weeks in and I felt like 622 00:26:10,530 --> 00:26:08,950 we still weren't like quite there like 623 00:26:12,210 --> 00:26:10,540 they just weren't I didn't know what was 624 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:12,220 going on but it didn't seem like they 625 00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:13,690 really understood what was going on and 626 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:17,800 then one of them out of the blue was 627 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:21,100 like oh it's like wall-e which that's 628 00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:23,290 very good watch tonight but and suddenly 629 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:25,630 they all understood what was going on 630 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:28,180 like that was their connection point was 631 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:31,690 like Wally but you know and it's not I 632 00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:33,130 think this is another thing that you 633 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:35,320 have to kind of like step into a 634 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:37,210 vulnerable place because like the things 635 00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:38,770 the ways you talk to children especially 636 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:41,500 and oftentimes to adults too you're 637 00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:42,730 going to be making analogies that are 638 00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:45,460 not quite right and you have to be okay 639 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:47,800 with that like it's not like Wally is 640 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:51,160 not like curiosity really but it's you 641 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:53,110 know it's in the right direction and so 642 00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:54,670 then you can start heading down and 643 00:26:59,820 --> 00:26:57,070 after that like we were on a roll and we 644 00:27:01,710 --> 00:26:59,830 could really learn about curiosity but 645 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,720 before that it just I could tell there 646 00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:04,480 was something off and so it is it can be 647 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:06,460 yet you just have to be humble and ask 648 00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:07,960 questions until you figure out what that 649 00:27:16,050 --> 00:27:12,880 thing is I've got a quick question uh 650 00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:16,060 what's the job market like for outreach 651 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:19,060 specialists and what skills do people 652 00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:23,610 look for an outreach specialist um I 653 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:25,990 really lucked out to be in my job I 654 00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:27,730 don't have a great sense because I 655 00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,220 didn't have to search much I went to 656 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:31,600 graduate school here I had been a tour 657 00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:34,960 guide in the department and then decided 658 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:36,400 to stay in Madison lots of people decide 659 00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:38,730 to stay here because it's awesome and 660 00:27:43,260 --> 00:27:41,740 went to the then director and said do 661 00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:43,270 you know about any jobs around in 662 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:44,860 Madison not expecting to get one at that 663 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:47,770 museum and it worked out i would say 664 00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:52,480 that likely the the avenue in for a lot 665 00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:54,820 of places is affiliation with a grant so 666 00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:55,190 you 667 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:56,990 on soft money for a while and then like 668 00:28:02,440 --> 00:27:59,090 you became you really kind of like make 669 00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:02,450 yourself indispensable and then you know 670 00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:03,980 somebody's position opens up and you get 671 00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:05,900 that position but I think for a lot of 672 00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:08,960 people it's kind of a you know a little 673 00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,240 touch-and-go for a while because of soft 674 00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:13,520 money but the great thing about that is 675 00:28:20,890 --> 00:28:18,830 that NASA especially and the NSF take 676 00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:20,900 broader impacts pretty seriously i would 677 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:23,540 say NASA very much though it seems like 678 00:28:28,260 --> 00:28:24,710 every year there's a different budget 679 00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,270 crisis that happens with them and so 680 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,520 it's it's heartening to know that even 681 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:33,740 if you decide to I mean if you don't go 682 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:35,930 into outreach specifically as a 683 00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:37,910 scientist there's lots of different ways 684 00:28:43,150 --> 00:28:41,390 that you get to do this whether it's 685 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:43,160 collaborating with somebody like me or 686 00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:44,900 doing it on your own and there's lots of 687 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:48,380 opportunities there but yeah I don't 688 00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:57,490 that's it for the communication session